WSIS+20 Visioning Challenge – WSIS towards the Summit of the Future/GDC and beyond

27 May 2024 12:00h - 14:00h

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Reflecting on WSIS achievements and envisioning a digital future at the Knowledge Café event

The Knowledge Café event focused on the World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) brought together a diverse group of stakeholders to reflect on the achievements of WSIS, address the challenges of digital inequality, and envision the future of the initiative. Moderated by Gitanjali Sah, the event featured insights from Deputy Secretary General Tomas Lamanauskas and Swiss government representative Jorge Cancio, among others.

Participants acknowledged WSIS’s pivotal role in promoting global digital cooperation, inclusivity, and the establishment of a multi-stakeholder model. The WSIS Stock Taking Database, with over 13,000 digital projects aligned with the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs), was highlighted as evidence of the initiative’s success in fostering digital progress.

A significant portion of the discussion revolved around the use of digital technologies to reduce global inequalities. While acknowledging the benefits of digital connectivity and the amplification of voices, there was a consensus that technology has also deepened existing inequalities, particularly during the COVID-19 pandemic. The Global Digital Compact (GDC) was discussed as a complementary initiative to WSIS, with calls for it to address inequalities and ensure technology serves the interests of the most marginalized.

Looking ahead to the WSIS+20 review, participants emphasized the importance of maintaining the human-centric approach of WSIS and ensuring that new initiatives like the GDC and Summits for the Future strengthen rather than replace the WSIS framework. The governance of emerging technologies was also a concern, with questions raised about the adequacy of the original WSIS vision and tools, such as international cooperation and the multi-stakeholder approach, in dealing with new technological challenges.

Due to time constraints, the final session on post-2025 wishes and emerging trends was abbreviated, and participants were encouraged to submit their input via email. Key observations from the event included the need for a more equitable world through digital technology, the importance of maintaining and strengthening the multi-stakeholder approach, and the desire for a more problem-solving and bottom-up approach that prioritizes vulnerable communities and local innovation.

The Knowledge Café highlighted the ongoing relevance of WSIS and the need for continued dialogue and action to ensure that digital technologies contribute to a more inclusive and equitable global society. The discussions underscored the importance of evidence-based results, confronting the dominance of big tech companies, and ensuring that digital public infrastructure serves everyone’s interests.

Session transcript

Gitanjali Sah:
Ladies and gentlemen, I need your attention please. Since the session ran late and people are still in the exhibition area, we still are missing a few people but I think we should start because we have a task at hand. All of you are briefed, we have a couple of questions we need to go through during this Knowledge Cafe and our Deputy Secretary General is already here. So we will start with a few words from our Deputy Secretary General. This Knowledge Cafe is about visioning for WSIS plus 20, so towards the summit of the future GDC. What have we achieved to date? Of course we have 2025 as well but there are a lot of you who want to take stock of our achievements and what are we thinking together as a multi-stakeholder community about the future? So, Deputy Secretary General, Mr. Thomas Lavanuskis, over to you.

Tomas Lamanauskas:
Thank you very much Gitanjali and thank you all of you committed here to be during the lunch break. I think we have some snacks behind there so hopefully you’ll have food not only for thought but also something to keep your blood sugars high enough to have this conversation going. And really welcome to you to this Knowledge Cafe, the first Knowledge Cafe in this WSIS plus 20 high-level event and WSIS Forum, and where we’re trying to assess what’s happened in the last 20 years but also looking forward to the future. I think we all think this morning was great to hear – yes, all right, okay, okay, I’m lost here. I mean there’s a lot of iterations of me on the screen now but great. So of course this morning was great already to hear a lot of views of what, you know, how important it was to have WSIS 20 years ago, how we lived up to expectations to some extent over the 20 years and with some gaps and deficiencies. that we probably need to fix and what’s next. We also heard today, this morning, the concept of WSIS plus 30, which we are now starting to use. Maybe we should make a hashtag out of that, Evangeli. So this session here today is looking in the past where we’ve come, what we’ve learned from that, and looking to the future. And when we look to the future, we also need to think how we make WSIS framework adaptable. How we make WSIS framework adaptable to the new technologies. Of course, all of us talk about AI now since, you know, like now a year and a half or so when open AI kind of jumped into everyone’s attention. Of course, AI wasn’t born then, you know, but that’s kind of the moment when everyone kind of thinks of. So which in all these technologies then in a public discourse gets a lot of attention. Both in terms of risks, you know, we now, you know, we all kind of imagine Terminator in our heads a lot of times when we talk about AI, or I think I was watching this movie earlier this year, Leave the World Behind, you know, how bad it could get, you know, so this dystopian thing. But also sort of utopian piece, you know, like about potential of AI to transform everyone’s lives for the better, you know, and when you look even the economic numbers, you know, this estimates of 4.4 trillion US dollars could be added through the applications to the global economy, that we could achieve 5 to 10% greenhouse gas emission savings if we implement AI in the right way, and so on and so on. If you look through different areas from the health, to education, to the agriculture where AI can transform. So how we integrate that, how we integrate that without losing the ethos and the benefits of that WSIS was known for, you know, inclusivity of all, multi-stakeholder ethos, where different stakeholders come together, and where everyone comes together to build the partnerships, and again, we further the stage. So today we’ll ask you to explore, I think, four questions, I was told, you know, so first is about looking back, so looking, you know, through the, since for the 20 years, what we can learn from that, let’s take the stock, the second is how we can actually bridge the gaps in AI. inclusive information all in societies to make sure they bring everyone along. Then, looking forward, you know, how WSIS could be shaped towards now, some into the future and beyond. And then, of course, the fourth one, how we can leverage the power of emerging technologies to really empower everyone, achieve sustainable development, and create a prosperous, inclusive future for all. So with that, I think I’ll stop here and allow you guys to discuss. And over back to you, Patanjali, please.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you very much, DSG. I like the concept of WSIS 2030 as well. So maybe we should brainstorm a bit more on that today. And we also have our partners from Switzerland. Jorge is here to guide us, not only in terms of co-hosting the event, but also in terms of our policy implementation, the digital governance frameworks around WSIS. So, Jorge, please, for your opening remarks.

Jorge Cancio:
Thank you so much, Chichangeli. Hello, everyone. I’m Jorge Cancio from the Swiss government. And I had like a 10-page speech, but I think that doesn’t really make sense at this venue. So perhaps something that you already heard is that 2024 and 2025 are really crucial years in how we govern the digital, how we govern the information society, which is the terminology we had 20 years ago, when some of us were in Geneva and in Tunis, a bit younger, of course, because 20 years is not that few years. And during these years, we have to take very important decisions on what we have to tackle what we want to address, be it meaningful connectivity, being much more than just connecting the infrastructures, being data governance, so how we deal with the different aspects of data flows, how we govern data, and of course, connected to data governance, you have all the questions of artificial intelligence, so it’s the time to update what we discuss, and also how we discuss things, and only some weeks ago, together with our Brazilian friends, we were in Sao Paulo having discussions on how do we update multi-stakeholder collaboration, but not only multi-stakeholder collaboration, but also how we can inspire multilateral cooperation, so we have some learnings to take from the Sao Paulo multi-stakeholder guidelines, which I think can serve us well, and of course, we have, as we speak, and I look at our colleague Renata from the Tech Envoy office, we have the negotiations going on in New York on the Global Digital Compact, and we have to see how these processes, which after all have a common origin, which is WSIS, how do they get together, how do they complement each other, how do we make governance, or we develop a governance system that is as lean as possible, as inclusive as possible, as efficient as possible, and some of you, and Thomas Lamanouskas was mentioning this idea of a WSIS plan. 30, we are like dropping the idea of let’s talk about WSIS+, because WSIS plus is much more than putting a 10 or a 20 or a 30 after WSIS+. It’s also a way of referring to the need of updating our common architecture to address the challenges we have nowadays, how we make the WSIS architecture fit for purpose. And I think that’s more or less my three minute or two minutes pitch. Thank you very much and I wish you very fruitful discussions. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you Jorge. So the format of this Knowledge Cafe is that we have four questions that we will be looking at and we have leads for all these four questions who will be introducing the topic and the questions and then each table has a facilitator who will be helping you to moderate the session. So I just I’m just taking account of all the facilitators. Denise are you here from UNDESA? Okay. Yuping from UNDP? Okay Yuping is missing. Is Radka here? Yes I can see her. Shengentai? Yes. Is Preetam here? Nigel? I just saw you. So Nigel maybe you take another table. Could you come here please maybe? Dr. Salma Abasi is already here. So Nigel could be here. Nigel on this table please. Anirudh? Anirudh is here. Oh so Anirudh. Okay. Davide, UNESCO, I think he’s still in the exhibition space, and Peter Major, Peter is here in that table, okay. So colleagues, just to let you know, yes, we will have a lunch, a light lunch, so don’t worry about that, once we break after a question, we will have some light lunch waiting for you there. We want to start with a Menti quiz, so please take out your mobile phones, and you will have to scan a QR code, and the fastest person wins a WSIS T-shirt. So this is the first one, okay. So colleagues, the question will come just now. Please scan this on your mobile phones, Hongda, please get the T-shirt ready for our winner. Okay, so question number one, okay, please join ASAP before we start. So one, two, three, four, five, and we are starting. Okay, so fastest person gets a T-shirt. What does WSIS stand for? World Summit of the Information Society, World Summit on the Information Society, World Summit on the Information Society, World Summit of the Information Society. So all of you have been engaged in the process for more than twenty years, and we should know this. Okay, time’s running out. Okay, Peter, I hope you got it right. So Ruth, is it time? Five seconds left. And the answer, okay. Oh, there was one. Oh, my God. So, so guys, you need to brush up your knowledge about this is really, please open the outcome documents. It is the World Summit on the Information Society. And who’s the winner? Ruth? Oh, Pritam? Who’s the winner? Ah, okay. So Pritam is ITU, so he doesn’t get a t-shirt. The second one goes to Aydin, who is Aydin? Congratulations, Aydin, you won a t-shirt, Hongda. Okay, we’ll do one more. Don’t be disappointed. We have one more t-shirt to give away. But I hope all of you do better this time. So Ruth is, are you ready? Okay. One, two, three. How many WSIS action lines are there? Very basic questions, very, very basic questions. 11, 15, 17, or 18, like the, is it like the SDGs? The 17 goals? Okay, fastest finger again. Oh my God, I don’t believe this. Okay, so Ruth, who’s the winner? Again? Oh, that table is sabotaging the whole game. Okay, so it should be Earthman, who’s Earthman? Colleagues, Earthman is the winner, who’s Earthman? Okay. Earthman, you don’t want a T-shirt? Okay, let’s go to Sameer Gahlot. Okay, Sameer, congratulations. Sameer gets one. Okay, so now let’s go on to our serious business. I’d like to call upon Cynthia, our chair of the council working group on WSIS and SDGs, and representing South Africa, to give us a little context about our first topic, which is about what have we achieved in these 20, 19 years, 20th year would be next year. Over to you, Cynthia.

Cynthia Lesufi:
Thank you, Gitanjali Sah. Hello, everyone. My name is Cynthia Lesufi. I am representing South Africa, and I’m the council chair of WSIS and SDGs. Basically, my job is very easy today. It’s just to let you know where is WSIS and what is it that we have achieved in this 20th celebration of this magnificent WSIS process. Basically, the WSIS process, it’s a UN system. It is based on a number of elements, which is the UN General Assembly, the UN Economic and Social Council, the CSTD, the UNGES, the Annual WSIS Forum, the IGF, the UN WSIS Action Lines, the UN Regional Commissions, and the UN agencies. So, for these 20 years, WSIS managed to be a strong example of global digital cooperation in action. It has an impressive result, cementing the multi-stakeholder model, which is the IGF and the WSIS Forum. It also provides an inclusive and equal platform for all. It is also created frameworks to discuss evolution of technology and its implication from various perspectives. WSIS has brought the UN agencies together. It has allowed them to create a framework for collaboration under UNGIS. It has also enabled action lines to continue to be relevant, but it has also provided a robust framework for digital progress moving forward. It has also proven to be a flexible process, and it has evolved over time, staying abreast of new and emerging technologies. So, under the WSIS Stock Taking Database, we do have plus 13,000 digital project aligned with SDGs. We also have over 200,000 subscribers in the WSIS Stock Taking Database. But we also have a number of project informed by our action lines. These action lines, you know, this project ranges from issues of ICT development, issues of infrastructure, access to information, issues of e-health, e-environment, diversity and local content, and also media and ethical dimensions. And we have number of project under each of these action lines, which is we have about 7,138 under ICT for development. We have about 4,228 under infrastructure. And we also have about. We have about 8,109 projects under e-science and we also have about 2,560 under e-learning. But also, ladies and gentlemen, one thing that I also want to mention is that if you look back in 2003 when this process started, we had about 785 million people who were having access to the Internet. But if you look today, we have about 64%, which is about 4.4 billion people, which are having access to the Internet. But there’s still a lot that we need to do as a community, as stakeholders that are actually involved in this process. And we are actually looking forward to 2030 and we believe that through this WSIS Forum we can still do more. And with this, ladies and gentlemen, I’d like to thank you. Thanks.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Cynthia, for setting the scene and giving us some ideas. So tables, let’s get to work and you have 15 minutes to discuss what have we achieved and then we’ll have a conclusion from each table and then we can pick up our lunch after that question. So your 15 minutes start now. Thank you. Okay, colleagues, we have to stop now. We have to stop your discussions now. So we will move on to the other question and towards lunch. But let’s have the one minute conclusions from each table. So let’s start with Dr. Abbasi, table number one.

Salma Abbasi:
Hello, thank you so much. I think we came up with some great seven ideas. One minute to do this. It’s made ICT in the front of a conversation. It’s created a community of stakeholders. We still need to do more for inclusivity. We’re all now talking about unity with the topics across the WSIS action lines. However, we need more cooperation on emergency strategies and the digital transformation and the digital agenda is really important for everyone. You were emphasizing leave no one behind. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you very much, Dr. Abbasi. We move on to Chengetai.

Chengetai Masango:
Thank you. I’ll try and be quick and hopefully I can read my handwriting. So first thing is that there is the adoption of the multi-stakeholder approach and also the realization that multi-stakeholder and multilateralism are not opposing but are complementary approaches to addressing issues concerning the Internet and there’s also a realization that you know governments cannot do it alone and we’re moving away from the imperative of just connecting people but to a more to the how and why so a more meaningful connectivity and we’re also giving agency to the people who are being connected so it’s not just a top-down approach it’s like a whole 360 approach to things and there’s also been a mushrooming of different frameworks because of the WSIS and which has led to a more in-depth analysis and study of how to connect people and how to deal with issues on the Internet.

Radka Sibille:
Thank you, Chengetai, Andriyet. Thank you. So here we had a strong appreciation for the strength of the WSIS original documents, the Tunis Agenda and the Geneva Declaration and Plan of Action which received strong input, direct input from various stakeholders, technical communities, civil society who were in the room at that time. The WSIS process then sort of made the governments more aware that it’s positive to engage with civil society. The real difference that was done was through one of the outcomes of the WSIS which is the IGF that really created a very inclusive bottom-up dialogue around digital policy, cyber, etc. with the governments and one of the other thing is that ethics was put on the agenda. But we would probably appreciate ethics and human rights being more embedded into the various action lines. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Radka. Deniz?

Deniz Suzar:
Thank you, Gitanjali. We had also appreciation of the WSIS original action lines and how they were inclusive at the time and maybe ahead of their time with the WSIS framework. As some of you know, there is no mention of mobile phones or any specific apps there, but it’s more highlighting human rights aspects and people-oriented society. So that was one appreciation. And then from there, we looked at the two phases of the WSIS till 2015 and the last 10 years. And again, IGF and the WSIS Forum came out from there. Again, the inclusive model these two forums brought in the discussions. We also appreciate that the vast majority of actually technological developments could have happened without WSIS, but I think the added value is bringing human aspects. So that’s what we appreciated. One last thing is we also acknowledge that the WSIS action lines needs to evolve with the new advancements.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Deniz. You won’t realize, but there are actually 90 people in this room. So for everybody to see you, we’d like to request you to stand up so everyone can see you when you’re reporting. And also, if you could send us your notes, it would be really quick for us, because it could just be a photo of what you’ve written down. But as Shengentai said, if the handwriting is really bad, if you could just type it out. out, that would be great. But really short, because we are going to summarise the discussions into a WSIS plus 20 visioning challenge. I’ll now pass on to Anna. Anna, over to you.

Speaker Anna:
Thank you. We didn’t have a facilitator, so Nasa and me, we will do it together. Our first point was obviously connectivity increased in the last week, so that’s already a big plus. The WSIS served to connect different stakeholders of different perspectives all over the world, and it served in a way as a forum for global consensus building. There seems to be broad concerns about the multi-stakeholder approach evolving, and very importantly, the perspective forward came with WSIS, especially the IGF. There seems to be increased geographic representation in these conversations over the last years. Also, other groups are increasingly more involved when it comes to women, minorities, etc. The development of digital policies was stressed.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Anna. We hope to receive your notes, so we’ll put it in. Who was the moderator in this table? Can someone volunteer? Okay, thank you, sir.

Speaker 2:
We had a very dynamic discussion at perhaps two key points. One is we think it’s very important to make sure that AI is one of the key issues we highlighted, to make sure AI is for the future for all, not just for the future for a few. Particularly, I need to balance the conversation to be more inclusive vis-a-vis the narrative should not be dominated by, defined by big techs or big nations with big techs. The second point is, a challenging point, is also data. We discussed data sovereignty, because machine learning requires, needs lots of data. We need to have a balance. On the one hand, we need to do the data, need to be inclusive, all gender, all minorities included, but however, we also need to have a good, strong data protection and privacy. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, sir. Could you give us your name and organization, please? Okay, I work for Globethics, it’s a Swiss foundation on AI ethics. Thank you. Thank you very much. We’ll move on to Peter Major’s table. Can someone give Peter a mic, please? Anna? Here, this one.

Peter Major:
Okay, thank you. For the question concerning visits, there were different answers. First of all, the raising awareness was mentioned, IGF is a major achievement of visits, was also mentioned, and stronger actions needed on increasing awareness. A major issue was that UN agency has been brought together, however, they are still working in silos. The visits platform discussion brings together different stakeholders. Now, the provocative question I asked, would it have happened without the visits? And the answer was no. was no. The WSIS made this happen. It unified the UN platform, and a lot wouldn’t have been achieved without it. And finally, we should raise awareness, we should approach the high level leadership to the expert level. And we should avoid duplication.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Peter. We’ll move on to Preetam’s table.

Preetam Maloor:
Thank you very much. On our table, we managed to get through only half the table. So these brilliant ideas are of 50% of the table. Imagine what would have happened if we had finished the whole round. So a few points we had. One is what WSIS helped do is showcase concrete progress on digital. And the example that came out was connectivity and connectivity targets over the years. The second was it helped in raising digital on the global agenda. Also showcasing ICT as a cross-cutting enabler across sectors. The third one was it also kind of brought to attention the need to regulate digital, make it more beneficial to humanity. The fourth one was, and it was from our colleagues from Brunei, they are working on personal data protection regulations. And they were looking at WSIS case studies from other countries. So they were very happy that WSIS brings together small and large states together, and everyone is included in the discussion. Another example they gave was of spam. And the final one was it helps in forging partnerships. across stakeholders.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you. We’ll move on to Nigel. Nigel.

Nigel Hickson:
Yes, thank you very much. I’ll be very brief. As you know, I always am. So what have we achieved in the last 20 years? Well, on the positive side, WIS has put together a framework. It instigated a framework, which for many countries was extremely beneficial. It enabled a framework which they could work to in terms of their national strategies. It enabled a process where stakeholders could come together and discuss things. And we mustn’t underestimate that national level. It put in place a process in Africa, of course, as well, one of the underserved areas. But the process it put in place still hasn’t totally delivered. And so the WIS’ process has to address the fact that we still only have 67% offline in Africa still, which is not an acceptable situation. The WIS’ process also put in place, of course, the IGF and the WIS’ forum. We would not be here today if it wasn’t the same. But the lack of leadership at national level, national governance has to be something we must all concentrate on in the WIS’ plus 30. I love that expression this morning. Or the WIS’ plus 40. Not for all of us, perhaps, but let’s go for it. Thanks.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Nigel. I think Jodi has volunteered for this group. So please, Jodi, if you could introduce yourself before you make your intervention.

Speaker Jodi:
Thank you. This was more a voluntold situation. situation than a volunteer situation. We did not have a facilitator, so we went a little off-piste with what we talked about. We acknowledged that, I guess, one of the best things about WSIS is it brought together a whole heap of stakeholders, but what we were talking about at the table was that it still isn’t a particularly great process for bringing in lots of people because of all sorts of reasons, including funding for people getting here, including capacity building for people just understanding how to navigate this process, how the whole thing works, what the history is, just really what WSIS is all about, and also, you know, things like understanding back in our countries exactly what WSIS is. We talked about the fact that most people don’t even know what it is, so how are we going to attract people here to talk about things? And one of the really good examples we talked about in terms of something positive was the World Summit Awards, thank you, which is an initiative where the people at the coalface of innovation are supported to come to WSIS, so that sounds really awesome. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Jodi. We’ll move to the last table with Paul. Paul, thanks for your patience.

Speaker Paul:
Thank you, my name is Paul from ICT40.at, and thank you for your patience, because you’re hungry, patience. So we started actually to question first the question, because it was such broad and not easy to answer, which led us to the fact that we talked, who is the we, actually? Are we talking about everyone on the planet, or is it just the WSIS process? And then it was mentioned that 20 years ago, it was actually first time the UN opened the doors for the civil. societies, so it actually was really an invitation to everyone to participate in the debate. And then we agreed on that it actually brings us all together. So everyone who wants to raise their voice can raise their voice here, who can hopefully come to Geneva or participate online. So it’s really an invitation to everyone, and we succeeded in the last 20 years to actually open the doors for everyone to participate, and it created a lot of awareness between governments and others as well, where we had an exchange between all. Thank you, and enjoy your lunch.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you so much, Paul. So colleagues, I think we have a fundamental flaw in the designing of our Knowledge Café. We thought we could be more productive, so we had four questions. So I think we are going to club the rest of the three together, and you get more time to discuss. But first, colleagues, please grab something to eat and bring it to your table, so that we can start with the next round. We’d appreciate if you could be quick, so that we can start with the next question.

Speaker Tim:
So, I have three minutes to convince you around our second theme, which is called Bridging the Gap Towards Just and Equitable Information and Knowledge Societies. Quick show of hands, who was here at WSIS in both 2003 and 2005? Very few of us. I have a tie on, which my daughter gave me just after the second WSIS. And you would be amazed what it’s got on it and what it hasn’t got on it. No mobile phones. No blockchain. No internet. So, the question we have is… We’re discussing in this session, have digital technologies been used to reduce global and local inequalities? Has digital tech been used to reduce inequality? Let’s think about that. I will answer no, a resounding no. A resounding no. We have not delivered on reducing inequality. Think about it. We heard this morning and again repeated, one third of the world’s population doesn’t have access to the internet and that figure is very, very much more in the poorer countries of the world. Think what we could do now with our mobile devices. If you haven’t even got a mobile device, you can’t even get on the old mobile phone. Ladies and gentlemen, dear friends, digital tech is increasing inequality. If you can’t afford the latest expensive digital tech and it does you good, you’re going to get left further and further behind. We’re talking about bridging the gap. That gap is getting bigger, becoming more difficult to bridge. And what are we doing about it? Language matters. Some of you will, if you’re listening carefully, heard how Thomas referred to the one third of the world’s population. Can you tell me what he called them? No offence, Thomas, but you called them the last. If we are serious about this, we have to call the world’s poorest and most marginalised the first. We have to give them the first of our attention. And ladies and gentlemen, we’re talking about a little into the future. I put before you that the GDC is not the answer. The GDC is not the answer. How many of you have read the May 1st revision of the GDC? Some of you. Do you remember how it begins? Let me read you how it begins and remember we are focusing on digital inequality Digital technologies are dramatically transforming our world They offer immense potential benefits for the well-being and advancement of people Societies and for our planet they hold out the promise of accelerating the achievement of yes the sustainable development goals Think about that. Do you believe it really? I Have a time my three minutes is almost up Well, I can carry on while the bulk use Greg, but I think they prefer me not to So note that that is an instrumental view of digital tech It says a digital tech will do this digital tech could do nothing by itself. It is how it is designed Created and sold it serves the interests of those who are delivering it It doesn’t serve the interests of the poorest of the most marginalized then think Where is the focus? It’s on the SDGs. Do we seriously believe in this room that the SDGs are going to succeed? Hands-up anybody who believes the SDG is going to succeed We should be focusing on life beyond the SDGs We should be focusing on a world where digital tech can serve everybody’s interests but we’re stuck in an old way of thinking and I think my three minutes is up. I Can speak for one more minute. Well, I’ll use my minute. I hope the room has gone silent. So I hope I’ve threatened you I hope you feel provoked. I hope you’ll come back and challenge me But we have three questions for your tables to decide on maybe choose one question each Firstly has digital tech be new successfully for creating a more equitable world And if you think the answer is yes, please give us some examples second question if you like. What three things should we ensure are in the GDC to help create a more equal world through digital tech? And third, what needs the most change in our approach to digital tech and the SDGs? So my review of the past is we’ve failed dismally, despite good aspirations, despite good intent, and there are very sound reasons for that, but we’re looking to the future, and we look forward to having some really positive answers about how the inequalities can be removed.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you very much, Tim. Thank you for this introduction, and though you all are also eating lunch, we’d like you to please discuss this, and the lead of the table should be able to provide us with a one-minute summary in 15 minutes. So I hope Ladies and gentlemen, we are going to start our second round. So, you may not have had that much time to discuss as you were also eating, so thanks for accommodating all of this, but we wanted to make sure that you are well-fed and you don’t go hungry the whole day and that’s the reason we organized for some light lunch. Okay. So, we are going to start with the wrap-up from the tables, but before that, we want to catch your attention, so Ruth is preparing one more mentee and there is one more t-shirt to give away, the WSIS t-shirts. Ruth, do you need the screen to be changed? Okay, please grab your phones. This is the first time we actually got these t-shirts and we will be giving them out in the closing ceremony, so please make sure that you come for the closing ceremony. It’s the other way around. OK. So the question, OK, please take out your phones and scan. We know some of you are eating, so we will. It’s OK. You don’t have to join the game. OK. OK, so 3, 2, 1. OK. So the question is, when was the first WSIS held? Or when was WSIS held for the first time? Tunisia, New York, Geneva, or 2005 Geneva? When was the first? Was it in New York? When was the first? I think Peter Major, Professor Minkin, Shengen Tai, you’ll find it hard to believe that people have got this wrong. OK. And the one who was the fastest, oh my god, again? Shabnam? Shabnam. So where is Shabnam? Shabnam, OK. It’s Shabnam. OK, so colleagues. Yes, now that we’ve got your attention, we’ll go through the tables again. Please try to be really short. So let’s maybe start with Mr. Peter Major. I’ll hand over the mic to you. Peter Major Thank you.

Peter Major:
I have one minute. Regarding the question of the gaps, we tried to fill the gaps in our stomach, we mainly dealt with the lunge. Having said that, we have also agreed that we need evidence-based results for making any judgments concerning the gaps. It was a general feeling that the overall gap has decreased, however, within countries it increased. The digital divide since 2015 seemed to have decreased. At that time we had 5.2 billion who weren’t connected, now we have 2.6 who are not connected, and the population of the earth has increased as well. The long-term improvement of humanity is questionable, whether we can say positively that the digital has contributed to that. Access to ICTs doesn’t really mean it’s a meaningful access, so that was the conclusion of this table. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Peter. We’ll move on to maybe, was it Tim in this table? Oh, Pete, okay, sorry, Paul. Paul.

Speaker Paul:
One moment, please, I’m still eating. So, three very tough questions and we had quite a bit of conversation. So, we heard that tech companies in New York City are actually heavily lobbying the GDC because they’re really realizing or feeling the heat that this is actually something serious, which is now taken into consideration, so we should not neglect it too fastly. But unfortunately, there was also a statement that the word inequality or equity is not mentioned once in the whole document, which should be probably a change for the future. Inequality, the word inequality and equity. We also had the feeling that the document was not created in collaboration with the people who were doing this already for a very long time. Okay, ringing. And I think the most important was on my last one. We have to make it explicit that technology and the intentions behind it must be designed from the beginning to reduce inequality and not focus on economic growth. So, the design of technology must be to reduce inequality and nothing else if we really want to work for the first two billion. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Paul. Deniz. You’re here.

Deniz Suzar:
Okay. We tried to answer all three questions. So first of all, we thought that it’s like three-lane highway, the reach all the way on the left is going much faster compared to middle and poor. So if you are already tech-savvy and if you already know how to use technology, you are benefiting much more from this. And in that regard, there was discussion around the table, not fully agreement if it’s decreasing the inequalities or increasing, but I think majority of the table thinks that it’s not helping. So what can we do in order to help? I think one idea was start with the problems, like understand what is needed and get sufficient input from those who are behind in these meetings like this. So pay attention to more demand side. And pandemic was also one example of the inequalities. So we’ve seen who has and who have nots and the gap between the two. Let me stop here because there are so many tables.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Deniz. Maybe we’ll move on to Anne-Marie, she’s here. Could you please hand over the microphone?

Speaker Anna:
Thank you. On the first question, we had five yes, but, with all kinds of disclaimers. We had one no, and we had one no, but some good things did happen. And our agreement is really that if you layer digital onto an existing context of inequality, you can easily just replicate that. But at the same time, there is recognition that humans use tools and human use tools in ways often to create improvement and benefit. On the second question, the GDC, more emphasis on context, acknowledging the the existing context of inequality, more emphasis on the fact that your fundamental rights of individuals need to be a core building block for any kind of equality, and not just at the level of digital, also at the level of capacity development and critical thinking. Secondly, more engagement, serious engagement with children as central stakeholders, and thirdly, putting people first. And then I don’t have time for the third question, but it was basically mainstream digital into the SDGs and prioritize.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Anne-Marie. Anna, maybe we can pass on to Shengen Tai.

Audience:
Okay, thank you. Similarly, we said yes with a very big but, and in that sense, we acknowledge that technologies have open spaces that were closed in terms of rights, for instance, in different contexts, but it has been fluctuating since then between closing and opening. So the space is, technologies are opening a space constantly, but technologies are also being used to close a space at all levels, particularly at the levels of rights. Also, the complexity and sophistication brought by technologies in relation to how harm is happening and the scale of it. In relation to the GDC-related question, there was kind of consensus in the table about the need for the GDC to fill in gaps and to play a supportive role for existing processes. And also, we thought that it could bring a change if the principle on environmental sustainability is breaking down into specificities that would apply to different contexts to address the climate change, but other crises at the level of the environment. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
We can move to the table behind, Nana.

Audience:
Thank you. Our table has discussed two transitions to achieve the equity. First is to look at not only the equality but more equity focused, which means to pay more attention to vulnerable communities, how we support them to catch up, to have equal footing in this, to benefit from the digitalization. Second transition is from the top-down approach to bottom-up approach. Traditionally we think about many top-down approach at international level or national level, but we think it’s very important to have a bottom-up approach to improve the investment environment, to improve the local innovation, more problem-solving solutions from the communities. Thank you. Thank you. Can you please introduce yourself?

Speaker Shira:
Hi everyone. I’m Shira, Senior Consultant of Adalove Software. So we discussed the three questions and we would like to summarize that many of us agree that there has been improvement in digital inclusion, however, for example, the example of in India that there is DPI and financial inclusion for women who has mobile phone, and also in Ghana the ministry created infrastructure to ensure digital transformation, however, we see that changes are needed, for example, access to rural area, internet, promoting internet as public goods, so it’s not just for profit, but also ensuring that there are competition on companies that are delivering the connectivity and also enhancing the public-private cooperation by having a cooperation, collaboration in investing on rural areas and creating a zone so that people can have access to connectivity. We see that the UN power is limited and there are more power on tech giants and we need to change that. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you. Anna, maybe you can pass to Preetam on that table.

Preetam Maloor:
Thank you. So on the first question of the equitable question. So it’s helped in connecting people as we saw with COVID. It’s helped in amplifying voices, enhanced participation in global conversations as we are seeing at the WSIS Forum at the IGF. And a very specific example here, another example which came up is it’s facilitated access to digital financial services over the years. It’s also shown how inequitable the world is, the disparities across the world. On the second question, the three things we would like to see in the GDC, one is more commitment to multi-stakeholderism. Second is, since we are building on a very good platform given by the WSIS process, more use of the existing platforms and the third piece, sorry, ah, okay. And the third piece was more focused on tech and human rights. And the last one on digital and SDGs, you know, the ITUSG always says this digital is only mentioned once in the SDGs. So a recognition that digital is not this shiny new thing, but integral and cross-cutting and greater cooperation between the UN agencies in the SDGs.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you. Okay, so I think we have Nigel left, Nigel.

Nigel Hickson:
Well, we were very lazy because, you know, you mustn’t spoil a good lunch. So we only addressed the first question, technology. And we thought the answer, Mr. Alvin, was perhaps more nuanced. But you did get us to discuss it. So technology, technology has indeed enabled some of the WSIS action lines to be fulfilled. Not totally, not comprehensively, but think what has happened on education. Think of the opportunities that people have through technology, being able to research education, the opportunities for education. Oh, are you all right? That would probably not have happened without technology. Look, but we can repeat it. Where would we be on medical? Medical issues, the enhancement of medical information, the sharing of medical information, the education of medical has made an incredible difference. Global international cooperation, the information sharing that technology has enabled. But it’s not all positive. It’s negative as well. The use of technology, especially in the last few years of misinformation for degrading human rights is something we must all pay attention to. But ultimately, technology reflects society. It’s us, it’s society that must control technology. We all have a role.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Nigel. So is there a table left? Yes, ma’am, I’ll come to you. Okay. Last table, I guess. Okay.

Tomas Lamanauskas:

Speaker Jodi:
Thank you, Jody from Internet New Zealand. We also only approached one question, the three things we want to see in the GDC. These are the things we want, not the things we’re likely to get, just to point that out before I start. So the first one was we need to have an effective regime of taxes on big tech companies, a special tax of 25% on all global digital companies who are in more than 25 markets, so that we can – thank you very much – so that we can build global competence and promote solutions to the STGs. That was our first one. Our second one, in the same vein, is we want the GDC to look at the monopoly situation of big tech companies, we want them broken up, we want their access, use and sharing of data to be regulated, and we want them to be approached as a digital public infrastructure. The third one, potentially less out there, is that we want to maintain and strengthen – we want the GDC to maintain and strengthen the multistakeholder approach to internet and digital governance and ensure it doesn’t get watered down, because if we are to identify and implement solutions to the complex issues we face, we have to have the experience and expertise of everyone. Thank you.

Audience:
Ma’am, you want to make an intervention? I would like – I’m from Poland, I’m an individual institution, I’m not in the network at the time, but I’m interested in and also participated in ITU, I forgot, for example, why Poles, IGF, and the general. And it is so. I would like to announce that I built a model, a science-entrepreneur model of our existence in the university, concretely within the system. It was verified. scientifically, or it was piloted with conversion of 2004 by EU regional pilots, so it was accepted by Polish governments and European programs and also the final model by General Assembly and also UN 2033 conference, migration, nuclear weapons. It is so that I would like to announce that the model is an operational model and I would like to forward the model to disposal of the UN and all countries because our development should be managed. And my model shows that we exist only by our knowledge and it shows all tracks, all goals, and in the closet, greed. And it is so that I announce that and expect reaction of governments, ITU, because it will be huge work. It is all clear, the rule is how we develop our knowledge. It is clear that it is huge work for workers, ITU, WIPO, ILO, and governments. It is so, this Friday, if you are interested, Friday, 11 till 11.45.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you so much, ma’am. Thank you. We’ll move to the last table and then we have one more round. and we have to reach the room at 1.50, so we have to be very quick about the second round. Anna?

Speaker Anna:
Thank you. The first question was tricky because there are a lot of buts, but we all agreed that participation was definitely on the upside of technology. We talked about health and education and also integration in the economy as concrete examples. The but is obviously it also increased inequalities and deepened inequalities. We combined the two other questions, and the points are still connectivity and access, then internet infrastructure and data for development should be a global public good, and we need a focus on human rights, a focus on the user of the internet, and especially also the uptake, so diversity of content, diversity of languages, and universal acceptance are important in this regard. That’s it. Thank you.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you so much, Anna. Thank you. Despite your lunch, we were very productive. We will combine the two last ones, so Konstantinos on wishes beyond 2025 towards the summit of the future, and Timia, emerging trends, and how these emerging trends have been included in the evolution of the WSIS framework as well over the years. So please set the scene, and then we will start the discussions as we have to leave this room at 1.50. Konstantinos, over to you.

Konstantinos Komaitis:
Thank you, Gitanjali. Hi, everyone. My name is Konstantinos Komairis. I’m with the Atlantic Council’s Tech and… Can you hear me? Now you can hear me. My name is Konstantinos Komairis, and I am with the Atlantic Council’s Tech and Democracy Initiative. And I am here to give a little bit of a context. Next year, as you know, we are going to have the WSIS plus 20 review, which is quite a significant event where the WSIS action lines, as well as the entire Tunis agenda will be re-evaluated. And this is happening in the midst of conversations also at the UN within the Global Digital Compact and the Summit for the Future. I think that it is important as we are engaging in these processes to think the role that WSIS has played, to think that human centricity of WSIS that we have heard, especially this morning from the Secretary General of the ITU and others, and also to think, to understand, that WSIS is the main document that we are discussing, that the action lines are the main thing that we are focusing on, and that the processes, whether it is the GDC or the Summits for the Future, are complementary to WSIS and are supposed to strengthen our understanding of how WSIS plays out, as well as the action lines. I will stop here, and Timia, you can take over.

Timea Suto:
Thanks, Konstantinos. Thanks, Gitanjali and everyone for inviting us. This is for the last session, which was about emerging technologies and how can WSIS help actually implement better governance of emerging technologies. So, I had a couple of things written down. I’m not gonna bore you for long. We’d much rather hear from you in the room. So, let me leave you with two ideas, right? One, when we had the WSIS process in the beginning, 2003, 2005, it set out a vision. We’ve been discussing that vision. We’ve been discussing that vision. There we go. Strange to hear my voice bang this loudly. We’ve been discussing the WSIS vision today. You know it’s for a human-centric, inclusive, development-oriented information society. Technology has changed in the past 20 years a lot. Has this vision changed with it? Do we still have the same vision? This is one question that I want to, we need to think about. Second thing, I tend to think that WSIS also gave us a toolbox to implement that vision. And that toolbox has very two important tools in it. One is international cooperation. The other one is the multi-stakeholder approach. We’ve heard already today that this is not an either or, it’s a and in between those two. Are these tools that WSIS has enabled us enough to consider the governance of the emerging technology world? Do we need to change them? Do we need to apply them? So how do we work to put the vision and the toolbox at use when we consider the emerging technologies? So I’m gonna leave you with that. If you’re curious about what else I wanted to say, you can find me here for the next couple of days so we can talk more. Back to you, Gitanjali.

Gitanjali Sah:
Thank you, Demia. Thank you, Condance. We are rushed for time because we have to move to room D where the GDC WSIS dialogue will take place. So colleagues, I believe that you could stay here for that time, 10 minutes, discuss a bit, and then send your input to the secretariat. So each one of you, if you have any feelings or comments regarding that, please send it to WSIS-info, WSIS-info. WSIS-info at the rate of itu.int. Or most of you know my email address, so you could send it to me as well. So please use this time to discuss and then send us any interventions that you would have. Apologies, this has moved beyond time. So thank you so much. Thank you.

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